Conversation
with Shri Viren Shamaldas Doshi, CEO – Tribhuvandas Foundation, Health
professional and intellectual
VSD: Hindu is a conglomerate of religions having certain value systems and in geopolitical context, though it essentially addresses all places, it is Bharat from where it addresses and thereby it has much more to do with Bharat...in my view...
CV: 1. Hindu as a cultural and geographical identity has NOTHING to do with one or conglomerate of "Religion" - which means tied to One Book and One Prophet and divides the world into believers and non-believers. Whoever concocted and accepted Hinduism-As-A-Religion made a grave mistake that led to the gruesome Partition and if we keep harping on it will lead to more to come.
VSD: Hindu thought has yet to find out ways to mitigate religions like Islam and Christianity as well as ideologies like Communism and Secularism etc. and the nation-states based such religions and such ideologies. That is the main challenge for Hindu thought. In my view it requires balancing of centralization and decentralization, it requires such a response wherein we have dynamic structures capable of dealing with outer challenges in different way while dealing internal challenges differently.
RSS has never defined Hindu as one book one prophet religion. At the most Hindu can be related to religions as all those religions which are tolerant and accommodating.
CV: 2. भारत is a विश्व गुरू that signifies the coming from darkness to light and a world civilization and is not confined to any landmass. However, the Indian sub-continent is the nucleus or नाभि of this world civilization.
3. Let us raise our level to atleast where we were before we surpass and the world tired and wornout of war and terrorism, strife and disharmony. We need to apply our बुद्धि and विवेक to comprehend that with so much of military arsenal all around, real power rests in soft power of आध्यात्म and संस्कृति।
4. In that case as their is no case to call Hinduism-As-A-Region unless we suffer from a deep-seated "me-too" inferiority complex.
VSD: Thanks for the points - I think blaming RSS is not explained. Regarding point 3 - अग्रत: चतुर्वेदा: पृष्टत: सशरं धनु: This explains Vedic thinking well, while we generally remain non-violent - being soft power is alright, being soft target is deplorable. We need comprehensive balanced approaches. 4. I do not find any evidence to substantiate inferiority complex theory, if at all, it was just an attempt to mitigate the onslaught.
Vedics related more powerfully with landmass as RSS does - not as mere subcontinent - but as motherland...and we used to call Earth too as Mother Earth...
CV: It's not blaming RSS but calling for its dissolution. It served its purpose but has become just what it fought against and is a dangerous threat to the Hindus, who it proclaims to protect. Mark my words. Sad and even shocking to its diehard adherents. Truth is such. And truth alone wins, as you well know.
VSD: Please state how one like this 'whatever-it-is' poor Hindu should deal with those who attack it out of divisive beliefs like believers and non-believers etc. in this age of tremendous destructive capacities..
CV: It's not blaming RSS but calling for its dissolution. It has served its purpose but has become just what it fought against and is a dangerous threat to the Hindus who it proclaims to protect. Sad and even shocking to diehard adherents but true. Truth is such and it alone wins as you well know. You dissolve RSS and i assure you we will wipe out Islamic and X-ian fundamentalism and all modern fads like capitalism and communism.
Eternity is forever. धर्म unites.
VSD: Leave aside RSS, please respond how a Hindu should protect herself/himself as a Hindu from those who attack just for being a Hindu...I am asking out of anxiety as you seem to have the Mantra in this regard...
CV: We only lose to our fear. Reality however is that with so much of military arsenal all around we only need basic deterrence we already have and strategic alliances, where we are acutely failing b'coz of Modi ji's image. The irony is that he seems too terrified even to safeguard BJP/RSS/VHP workers, leave aside the country. And int'l media using his fear wants to denigrate and spread hatred against all Hindus.
Where a statesman of intelligence, wit and knowledge of geo-politics would wield soft power. But he is nowhere close to Atalji, PV Narsimha Rao or even Nehru.
VSD: Well, I do not prefer to be judgmental as well as sentimental...still you compel me to say you seem to have both the qualities in abundance...dear friend...try your best to protect your Hindu self...God bless you...
CV: हर हर महादेव। - To each, their own. I have said in good faith and wisdom. I can feel your pain and anger but that shouldn't smokescreen from seeing the reality.
Gujarat has been a frontier state that has borne the brunt of rabid islamic terrorism. But the world has changed since and you can't look at it from a narrow lens.
VSD: I think we need to think out more precise ways of dealing with challenges we are facing as Hindus...oversimplification or blaming someone or some organization or certain thought process may not help I am afraid...let us put forth the way we want our people to work on rather than blaming others how-so-ever naive they may seem to us...
Gujarat is more practical - it generally does not beat around the bush
I know Gujarat form inside to considerable extent...leave it...focus on the way you have in mind...
CV: To each, their own. That's a good reason to focus on Gujarat. The Patel uprising needs local attention. I don't want to comment further but just as Pramod Mahajan's India Shining cost us 2004, no one wants Gujarat model to cost us 2019.
VSD: Please keep on enlightening us on your way of dealing with challenges...that would be really be of great help...
With very high regards...would be waiting more inputs from you..always..Thanks. :)
VSD: A Question for illuminating us - what was it that led to clear majority in 2014...
Pl do not say Rahul Gandhi and his coterie
CV: Anti-corruption movement that targeted Congress. Modi ji was the opportnistic rider pumped by money from you know where. I have gud regards for you but very poor of Modi ji. After seeing his pathetic leadership in near 2 years. Gujarat has much better talent. You know that.
VSD: I almost expected this from you...well, what do you know about Narendra Modi? And RSS too? And about Vedas and Hindu thought? I would like to know this too. You may reply as and when you get time.
CV: I know from what he says and does. If he is so very different, someone should take the initiative to set up a meeting. I will be happy to be surprised and proven wrong.
VSD: Hindu is a conglomerate of religions having certain value systems and in geopolitical context, though it essentially addresses all places, it is Bharat from where it addresses and thereby it has much more to do with Bharat...in my view...
CV: 1. Hindu as a cultural and geographical identity has NOTHING to do with one or conglomerate of "Religion" - which means tied to One Book and One Prophet and divides the world into believers and non-believers. Whoever concocted and accepted Hinduism-As-A-Religion made a grave mistake that led to the gruesome Partition and if we keep harping on it will lead to more to come.
VSD: Hindu thought has yet to find out ways to mitigate religions like Islam and Christianity as well as ideologies like Communism and Secularism etc. and the nation-states based such religions and such ideologies. That is the main challenge for Hindu thought. In my view it requires balancing of centralization and decentralization, it requires such a response wherein we have dynamic structures capable of dealing with outer challenges in different way while dealing internal challenges differently.
RSS has never defined Hindu as one book one prophet religion. At the most Hindu can be related to religions as all those religions which are tolerant and accommodating.
CV: 2. भारत is a विश्व गुरू that signifies the coming from darkness to light and a world civilization and is not confined to any landmass. However, the Indian sub-continent is the nucleus or नाभि of this world civilization.
3. Let us raise our level to atleast where we were before we surpass and the world tired and wornout of war and terrorism, strife and disharmony. We need to apply our बुद्धि and विवेक to comprehend that with so much of military arsenal all around, real power rests in soft power of आध्यात्म and संस्कृति।
4. In that case as their is no case to call Hinduism-As-A-Region unless we suffer from a deep-seated "me-too" inferiority complex.
VSD: Thanks for the points - I think blaming RSS is not explained. Regarding point 3 - अग्रत: चतुर्वेदा: पृष्टत: सशरं धनु: This explains Vedic thinking well, while we generally remain non-violent - being soft power is alright, being soft target is deplorable. We need comprehensive balanced approaches. 4. I do not find any evidence to substantiate inferiority complex theory, if at all, it was just an attempt to mitigate the onslaught.
Vedics related more powerfully with landmass as RSS does - not as mere subcontinent - but as motherland...and we used to call Earth too as Mother Earth...
CV: It's not blaming RSS but calling for its dissolution. It served its purpose but has become just what it fought against and is a dangerous threat to the Hindus, who it proclaims to protect. Mark my words. Sad and even shocking to its diehard adherents. Truth is such. And truth alone wins, as you well know.
VSD: Please state how one like this 'whatever-it-is' poor Hindu should deal with those who attack it out of divisive beliefs like believers and non-believers etc. in this age of tremendous destructive capacities..
CV: It's not blaming RSS but calling for its dissolution. It has served its purpose but has become just what it fought against and is a dangerous threat to the Hindus who it proclaims to protect. Sad and even shocking to diehard adherents but true. Truth is such and it alone wins as you well know. You dissolve RSS and i assure you we will wipe out Islamic and X-ian fundamentalism and all modern fads like capitalism and communism.
Eternity is forever. धर्म unites.
VSD: Leave aside RSS, please respond how a Hindu should protect herself/himself as a Hindu from those who attack just for being a Hindu...I am asking out of anxiety as you seem to have the Mantra in this regard...
CV: We only lose to our fear. Reality however is that with so much of military arsenal all around we only need basic deterrence we already have and strategic alliances, where we are acutely failing b'coz of Modi ji's image. The irony is that he seems too terrified even to safeguard BJP/RSS/VHP workers, leave aside the country. And int'l media using his fear wants to denigrate and spread hatred against all Hindus.
Where a statesman of intelligence, wit and knowledge of geo-politics would wield soft power. But he is nowhere close to Atalji, PV Narsimha Rao or even Nehru.
VSD: Well, I do not prefer to be judgmental as well as sentimental...still you compel me to say you seem to have both the qualities in abundance...dear friend...try your best to protect your Hindu self...God bless you...
CV: हर हर महादेव। - To each, their own. I have said in good faith and wisdom. I can feel your pain and anger but that shouldn't smokescreen from seeing the reality.
Gujarat has been a frontier state that has borne the brunt of rabid islamic terrorism. But the world has changed since and you can't look at it from a narrow lens.
VSD: I think we need to think out more precise ways of dealing with challenges we are facing as Hindus...oversimplification or blaming someone or some organization or certain thought process may not help I am afraid...let us put forth the way we want our people to work on rather than blaming others how-so-ever naive they may seem to us...
Gujarat is more practical - it generally does not beat around the bush
I know Gujarat form inside to considerable extent...leave it...focus on the way you have in mind...
CV: To each, their own. That's a good reason to focus on Gujarat. The Patel uprising needs local attention. I don't want to comment further but just as Pramod Mahajan's India Shining cost us 2004, no one wants Gujarat model to cost us 2019.
VSD: Please keep on enlightening us on your way of dealing with challenges...that would be really be of great help...
With very high regards...would be waiting more inputs from you..always..Thanks. :)
VSD: A Question for illuminating us - what was it that led to clear majority in 2014...
Pl do not say Rahul Gandhi and his coterie
CV: Anti-corruption movement that targeted Congress. Modi ji was the opportnistic rider pumped by money from you know where. I have gud regards for you but very poor of Modi ji. After seeing his pathetic leadership in near 2 years. Gujarat has much better talent. You know that.
VSD: I almost expected this from you...well, what do you know about Narendra Modi? And RSS too? And about Vedas and Hindu thought? I would like to know this too. You may reply as and when you get time.
CV: I know from what he says and does. If he is so very different, someone should take the initiative to set up a meeting. I will be happy to be surprised and proven wrong.
Chandra Vikasji you are right on many counts as i keep reading about what you say..I agree with your idea of Rubanisation as resources are limited and urbanization will take a heavy toll leading to socioeconomic inequalities which eventually will manifest in psychological frustration and law & order issues..I am begining to beleive that with the permeation and penetration of tecnological influences in our daily life no ideology, backed by religion or no religion,is going to work.Humanity will experience new sensations beyond religion and beliefs...There will be an eternal confrontation between creativity and mechanisation and an effort to combine theses two will be the future Mantra.. Suresh Heblikar
ReplyDeleteThanks Suresh Heblikar ji for the motivation and support. Agree so much with you.
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